a 5% ten-year. we're nowhere close to that. lloyd blankfein was on ur yo showing saying investors, if there is some sort of ex oh dus into stocks, and that's becoming a story -- >> and lloyd has been talking about just the potential for a stock market boom, too. >> dean, the name of your firm is macro, right? >> yes. >> so you're used to looking macro? >> yes. >> but typically, three were four, five years ago, isn't your first thing that you talk about, you mentioned washington, the sequester, the debt ceiling, every single thing you mentioned was policymakers. has it always been like that or is this a different period for your firm? >> this is i think pretty new. >> so it's hard to avoid talking about those things, right? >> that you have to pay attention to central banks, of course, and this philosophy of becoming more like bernanke. and then, of course, you have to watch what happens in washington. >> we never used to, though, did we? >> no. it's certainly -- >> how much more time did you spend in washington? >> it's forget, just looking at the years with it it all along. >> do
